i am actually so sorry for not being able to give a clearer question and actually asking the question when no answer will actually be the all time answer. From the post i read on Microsoft, it would seem that it was actually an XP thing that you have to install hotfixes / patches from, but that is only what i understand. i'm just glad that it still works in Vista IE. not too sure what the ratio of XP users to Vista users are, but with Windows 7 i think XP users have slimmed down a bit and those using it probably have the patches.