Admin read PMs

slabbi wrote:

uddeIM is a "Personal Messaging System". Admins who do not respect their users privacy should use a different PMS.

It's not a "Admins who do not respect their users privacy" question. It's a question of safety when running a site and don't let others use your tool/site for wrong uses or cheat the system, contents, promotions, and other stuffs among users.

What would that make difference for you to make your system optional? You would get a bigger slice in the marketing offering that. It's up to the administrator, site and so on if they want more safety in their sites or not ("respect") as long the user is informed in the form as I said.

Well, just my 2c. Of course you do whatever you want with your system.

Do you have any suggestion of a system similar to yours that allow to read users messages to indicate once you really don't want such feature in yours?

Have a nice week.

Ahh, I'm afraid I'll have to agree with Lucato on this one. It really makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever to NOT have this feature available. Seriously. The site doesn't belong to registered members, it belongs to the owner. there should never... and I repeat NEVER, be anything in a website that the owner doesn't have access to. We own the site. We own the content (in most cases) and we are given, by default, the right to see any and everything.
Slabbi, do you think Facebook has this feature? How about MSN, Yahoo, AOL? Of course they do. UddeIM taking rights away from us site owners is absurd, to say the least. Our sites are like our homes. members are like long term house guests. Would you allow someone in your home that you didn't personally know have access to your bedroom/office/locked file cabinet, etc? It's a similar scenario with our sites. There is nothing that should EVER be hidden from owners. Never. Users have the rights that we site owners afford them, which is our ToS. You're really taking a lot away from us and handing over too much to members. I don't like that.

And I have to be honest with you Slabbi, your brash attitude on this has convinced me to us another PM system.

Lucato, I suggest you do the same. Find another one and just drop UddeIM. It's truly a "No Brainer" to have this feature present. Not having it just crazy.

Thank you for providing this system, Slabbi. But with it being incomplete and you being absolutely stubborn and non-negotiable about this, I'll have to drop uddeIM. Sorry. But IMO UddeIM will never be a top notch system if you don't listen to your users.

There are lots of countries which do not allow admins to read personal messages by law (except users have explicitly agreed to that but I do not think that people will sign up for a site when they have to acknowledge that the admin reads private messages).

You should really get in contact with AOL, Yahoo, GMail etc. and ask them if they read their users emails. I am pretty sure that they will not. You can be sure that there are lots of security mechanisms that control access to mailboxes, databases or file systems (e.g. four-eyes principle, limited group of people, security checked people, people who are aware of the law, etc.).

In uddeIM there is a functionality available that allows the admin to read /reported/ messages, e.g. messages that contains insults, spam or whatever).

When you do not want to respect your users privacy you are free to use a different Private Messaging component or use a forum component instead.

Post edited by: slabbi, at: 2010/12/17 09:38

hello,

i think, it is right decision to keep private messages private. If somebody is afraid of users planning criminal offences, he should think about, if it is a good idea to use a private messaging system at all. If you have to know everything, dont use a pm system, but a forum.

It is a nice comparison about your site is your home, but i am wondering, why arent you locking the door to your homepage like you do with your home. Use your userlevels and dont let everybody come in to your site, wouldnt you, if it was your home?

Over all it is a nice question, if its my homepage or if its homepage of users…

best regards, Macjoomla

Of course I understand Slabbi about Privacy things to not making visible mails for admins.

But there are some websites and cases which admins must save user from spammers,sexual mails.

for example:

I manage a large modeling site and a lot of 13-14 year girls register to be models,other side registers some "fake photographers" which have nothing much todo with photography trys to contact them.

or some "managers offers to the girls porno with 10.000 euro"

and from my experience i know that,i do not get much reported messages.

I use the old PMS Exchanged which allow to see mails
so i can delete such a user easy by searching PMS over "Keywords"

But PMS Enchanged is old unsupported system sp i must change to UddeIM... I wish the function would be available,at least a "special payment version" for Admins like we, if we can prove we really need this "admin read" function

Currently users can be safe that special users cannot read private messages (for sure the site admin has still the power to access the database directly except message encryption has been enabled in uddeIM).

When I create a plugin that allows to read messages this "safety" does not longer exist: users do not know if the admin is able to read their messages or not. This might also constrain users (think of e.g. controversial discussions about the site admin).

I do really not like the idea. I can understand the wish to monitor or to moderate messages but in my opinion it should not be done hidden from the user.

Maybe I could support moderated messages: people write a message and will get the information that the message has to be confirmed by a moderator before it is delivered to the recipient. Of course this will delay the delivery but is is a transparent feature for the user so he knows what happens behind his back.

Post edited by: slabbi, at: 2010/12/22 22:41